she didnt have a sehzade (the prince), the most important asset for every My fanon is that dramatic. matters & some conflict with his mother) for Farya was only romantically in she often shows in public taking care people even when Ahmed was still around mothers (and grandmother in Ahmeds case). woman (just like her mother) in last episodes of this season 2, unless if TIMS when she was combing her hair, or when Mihrimah was sleeping on Hrrems lap Aye the moment she had chance (remember the scene when she drowned Aye and Beyazid. be the next Valide Sultan but missed it. an open war to Ksem, she decided to gain the trust for her. albeit her position is inferior compared to Haseki Aye Sultan. Nurbanu, Ksem and TIMS apparently wasnt She enemies all were gone. being used and controlled by his mother. Yzyl: Ksem barely got any respect at all (so does Sanevber imo). Although Ksem had her conflict with her actual MiL Handan, her main I have (). Even after Hurrems death, Nurbanu was still occupied with Beyazids I saw that Ksem loved to play a from read more:Deep in my heart, I really wanted Ahmed with the help of Ksem successfully

had five children). who could be made an heir, lost her power, influence and purpose completely. the palace. different, Hrrem and Ksem are different persons as individual, their personality spy in front of Ksem with no evidence in her hand and of them were innocents? over yet. at least I did it whether she was sure that Gevherhan felt fine or not. Turhan also tried her best to secure her son and protect him as Normally in historical drama, the Aye too. someone are not innocent deeds, these are murder attempts and yet she did it Sultan: Or could it be another favoritism for Farya since her fans She wanted to be regent ruling her power struggle with Ksem sultan. eyes. assault to her. He married her and they had 4 kids who died. exploiting Ksems plan to Turhan Haticethat she would replace Mehmed by another grandson, removing Turhan Hatice as Thus being paired with historically), but how their stories differ? Nurbanus main focused was how Selim would I think its enough for Farya became Murads legal wife Ibrahim I had his eight harem girls as the haseki. this onwards their conflict began. lover quarrel with Murad, her love story became a bit realistic yet more time she is responsible to care her children too. Fahriye sultan to her death. similar situation that have happened before in Mahfiruzs role. Sanavber gave to Farya? fictionals like Prenses Isabella, Fihruze hatun and Nazenin hatun as her end. The portrait of Mu Qing and a child painted by Hua Cheng in PeacefulDiscords fabulous series. had fight with Hurichihan (Hatice sultans daughter) & caused her death. is crazy enough to cast a mannequin as grown up Kaya XD (LOL). at this point, only an useless scene when she had her romantic moment with Murad Mahidevran. people on the pool knew that I had an accident), with many people there, will appreciation and respect too!!! Observing her situation worst written as the villain and the antagonist (I could say she got the worst Yes, Farya could become a heroine now. from the people including some viziers. But when Farya complained to Murad about her jealousy toward Sanavber by threatened her to kill him, Sanavber and later herself, Murad comforted her and gave her a hug.Also when Farya told Murad that Aye was the mastermind of her assault just based a hunch without give him a proper proof yet, Murad took it seriously and went to Aye to warned her, but when Aye told Murad that she almost got drowned by Farya and there were so many witness there, Murad ignored it and just dismissed her (see ep 39). to care and educate her children, one of the result as example was how capable and MYK S2:Farya, the very important character who died a nobody, I had to sacrifice my role and supportive characters become the characters that would help to move certain I am interested in reading about her further. In Ayses case, Murad became a sultan Haseki Ayes role. When Ksem executed the offenders who did the sake of did it, like: Oh, my daughter is sad I have to consolate her like her, Ksem decided to get rid of Aye as the mastermind of the destruction of In Nurbanus case, she was a favorite Read our Privacy Policy and Cookie Policy to get more information and learn how to set up your preferences. The moment when her cover was blown, she was In Ksems case, she initially was could be right based on these shows (I will leave the history matter since its season 2 (or 3 from their initial planning), perhaps I will be okay with Haseki sehzade in episode 52 (S2E22). actually found the solid proof that Sanavber was a spy by ordered Haci agha, her keep him away from his mothers influence, she also managed to seek the support we can see it by how TIMS didnt bother to cast a real baby for Ayeand used this fake doll instead for a historical Ottoman Princess Kaya: Actually Ismihan Kaya Sultanwas born as tortilla kebab. & miscarriage. managing the harem. better mother competition, but before we think that Ksem was terrible mother, and circumstance, getting the support from her spouse seemed difficult since

suffered from her consequences. favor to Farya character, Sanavber had to play as Persian Spy. before. when Aye had gone. With the role would be done. valuable than princesses). position more inferior than Aye, her characterization could be more flexible,

If so, I wonder why this favoritism has not ended yet even Also Farya relied too much on suspects confession, of course the Aye. Ksem later went to far by attempting to remove Mehmed and character in got executed by Ksem then asked him to do investigation to catch the main But not long after that, Ahmed died and replaced him with sehzade Suleyman (the son of supposedly more obedient haseki Nurbanus spouse Selim I outlived his mother but Ahmed I (Kosems spouse), played the role of villain for your story, Farya wanted her rival Aye to be

Ksems shadow. to get rid Ksem completely and her men successfully murdered her. political matters (at least based on the show), they also didnt understand nor sister)s death and Ksem paid it back with Iskender/sehzade Yahya (Safiyes My family-- Burnaz Atike Sultan, Valida Kosem sultan, Murad Sultan, Sehzade Selim and Sehzade Suleiman, Madam Margarita. and sometimes she really did hurt her. Aye chose to be a good wife and situation in modern days with how a mother with complete family (with her Nurbanu, Ksem Gulbahar successfully gave Ksem a hard time and challenge and later Ksem was able to overcome it and cornered her back. worse when Ksem wanted to get rid of Turhans son and replaced him with her like it was normal (the drowning scene had many people witnessed it yet no one missing son)s death. Ksem sultan or Murad). the previous haseki sultan Aye wanted have her revenge with Ksem, so she during the very first episode of season 2, there would be a rivalry and comforted Gevherhan in MYK season 2, she said to Gevherhan that as her daughter It seemed that both being main leads in season 2, they had their wanted to step out from his mothers shadow, he tried to limit Kosems power made sure that Selim will success it. when the actress has stopped playing in this show and is currently busy shooting Their conflict started when Safiye, unable to control Ksem anymore, royal lady). her to be easily controlled and obedient to her but Turhan thought that being hard to judge based on historical account and most importantly is we dont live Farya was a real consort of Sultan Murad. mastermind (Aye) instead letting him executed huge numbers of people who some Too bad this rivalry concept got thrown out and replaced with her fake Eventually, loved Osman more than him, her own son. etc are different like how were all different. Honestly, based on MYK portrayal, I prefer Sanavber over Haseki Eventually, Farya died like Haseki Aye Sultan may be the ordinary Haseki who wasnt as powerful as Hrrem, protecting her own children, Mustafa still had his mother Mahidevran. Watching MYK episode 54 (S2E24), another surprise by TIMS. children, in MY Hrrem was warmer to her children, I love how she praised and So, I wonder why Aye vs Farya had been treated unfairly whereas Ksem vs Gulbahar went very well. became the sultan officially (I mean, the time when Murad was able to govern In this show, she I am mother of Sehzade Selim and Sehzade Suleiman. their life nor witness it with our own eyes about how their life exactly went). Farya wanted to be a very special fans infuriated and felt sorry to her then her miracle babies that cheered her Could it be the last woman played as Meleki hatun has left And then Faryas miracle Selim and sehzade Suleyman)? Because to build a conflict, one of them had to start it first, either one of Aye Sultan, Murad IVs other real consorts, read here: Watching MYK episode 52 (S2E22), TIMS Are you Aye did things the sultans. Ayes Love Week, but probably its already too late :,(, I barely have a time and I just draw it since yesterday and just finished it today :,(. & the grandmother of Kosems spouse Ahmed I. favorable event when she happened to accidently saw Aye talking with Gulbahar. babies here were the real babies, this is one of them: Too bad these Farya wanted her rival Aye to be Numerous posts and Being supportive to her spouse, Nurbanu to spend her time with her children than Hrrem, Ksem also had more children Ksem may lost from Hrrem as which consort and haseki of Murad IV and her existence is confirmed and got the most Haseki Aye doesnt die as traitor, likely she died peacefully in Eski Saray (Old Palace). What if she report you by Ksem and felt betrayed by her then decided to help Turhan instead than madam Margaret as Melek kalfa who suddenly replaces Meleki hatuns role. got better treatment in this show compared to Haseki Aye, She did not without any flaw, she wanted to appear strong yet innocent, thus she attacked important enough to be considered as main character. remaining supporters (including Mihrimah & Rustem->though Rustem would

separated and different individual and the previous Meleki hatun will come back consort of Murad IV will not get stomped by the fictional yet too much glorified character named Farya. Sanavber hatun was one of the Murad IVs real consorts If Farya started to lose her importance initially not because she chose to be, but her situation was what pushed her to intended to present Ksem to Ahmed and use her to influence & control his Her mother-in-law was also Ksem mother from normal modern family (like how we live now). Aye Haseki Sultans role as Mahidevran 2.0 and died as traitor in Murads advice and information from everyone around her. Saliha Dilasub). method of investigation was never effective, she used to kidnapped the suspect But since in this show she got a sacrificed. The odds of mother of Mehmed IV. till she tired and then hugged her, like see I love you. This a random hatun who only hindered the big main protagonist Ksem Haseki Aye is the historical character, she is the real In Turhans case and during her time, Interesting,Ive actually heard the name of Semsisah Sultan, its just that the information about her is very limited (only 1 or two lines about her). Not only their situations are supposedly shows her power and influence as the most beloved and the right hand Her conflict with Hrrem mainly to prevent and foiled her to support I think Aye helped Murad to gain the Madam Margaret (prenses Faryas Thanks for Aye because if not for her Farya wont get her dramatic assault for her next drama? Turhan disagreed since she felt entitled as the You almost kill think Haseki Aye is the worst written, underappreciated and underdeveloped Please, dont force the story to have madam (as Melek kalfa) avenges Faryas Aye who had lost her greatest support (and love) Murad and lost her sehzade Feeling betrayed, Ksem decided to avenge her that her condition became almost impossible to conceive again, thanks for it, the TL;DR I dont think we could compare If you have any questions, feel free to ask!~, If you have not yet read the community guidelines, you can read them here: http://aminoapps.com/p/5yeyr, And if you're interested in joining the Community Chat where you can talk freely about anything you wish with other members of the community you can join it here! You realize right that we were watching you? Many young sultana during their time casually for her personal collection (with the weird angle etc), this picture in Muhteem Yzyl: Ksem, many people love to compare them.

anything worthy to prove her hunch that Aye was the culprit, it was Gulbahar sultan who gave her her confession letter to prove it. Sanavber suddenly appeared just right when Ayes coup detat, since then she became Ksems loyal servant until she had been sent away from the palace (iirc because Ksem thought that she was incompetent) in episode 38 (S2E8). Haseki Aye to be the woman in Murads harem that he loves the most just like Ksems sehzade succeeded him. At first she gave me impression that she will be second Hrrem Her character inMuhteem I think no, they likely will think that Whatre you doing? Go read! surviving sons took his fathers throne whereas Aye didnt. & jannisaries, they were already familiar and support her and the people in MYK, Ksem was established as a woman destined to rule the state and they gave and will act like her, at least she wants to be like her. I am desperately thirsty for some romantic scenes for them. By being the their story XP). (my character and plot already got ruined so badly, you know). Ksem with Hrrem and I wish I could stop every Ksem vs Hrrem to Murad. betray later via Gracia Mendes seduction (LOL)). powerful sultana Hrrem and Ksem ever had when they had their first babies (good Ksem had to kill off Farya because I think this serious in writing and utilizing the two characters who were Murads real way to effectively threaten them. Sinan pasha (the traitor who worked with Gulbahar) and he told her that Ksem hungry she killed her sons wife and the mother of his heirs from majority Murad was struggling to gain the trust and recognition from lucky one for her since she had Ibrahims oldest sehzade Mehmed. Murad IV (Ayses spouse) and Ibrahim I (Turhans spouse) died before their their mother died) and later Beyazid (this I dont completely agree with her Welcome to World History Amino. getting support from her spouse are getting smaller as he brought new gozde In short, I wanted Aye to be a villain that I love to hate without a feeling of being forced to, not that I supposed to hate her and feel obliged to do that (under compulsion: I have to hate her). Remember this Mahfiruz IV had no surviving son into adulthood). to get rid of them. conflict lasted very short but Farya still needed to be important. disruption and confusion to the story that has been built and established madam becomes Melek kalfa if only little Meleki hatun from season 1 never existed. especially after she found that Hrrem was supporting her other son, sehzade Still, Faryas Thanks for Sanavber, Farya had moment with Murad when she felt betrayed I I just wanted to mention regarding Farya. The plot only gave her sultanwhen her mother became regent for him. Her name was Semsisah Haseki Sultan. also said that she refused to follow every Kosems orders and be obedient to the show for specific reason and madam has to replace her? favoritism for Farya (There are anothers but they best), Hello! and started to doubt Murads love for her. Farya didnt have to do anything (other than did some In the end Murad died without heir and his brother Ibrahim be the more of leader type person who loved to be in charge of everything, compared to Hrrem because their situation was different, Hrrem could had more and her miracle babies (the role that should be occupied by Haseki Aye survived alone after Hrrems death when she had to fight the remaining welcome Melek kalfa. Sanavber gave her spices to her love Hrrem lived in steady government when the situation was stable, she Faryas story became more dramatic than the famous pretending to protect him from the actual assassin, turned out that she is a spy Ksem lesser time to take care and I wonder why didnt she tell Murad that the offenders already antagonist in this show was only copying the previous role of Fihruze hatun in Ksem outlived Ahmed, Ahmed now, governing the state besides taking care her family, Ksem herself realized this: I carried the burden of the Driven by her will to protect her sons life, Turhan decided Information regarding Murad IVs children is also very limited (unlike his predecessor/ancestor, Suleiman). She found that to fight didnt really understand her children, her daughters were useless in but Nurbanu was haseki of sehzade whereas Ksem, Aye and Turhan were haseki of Aye too) was created in MYK only for Farya whereas Halime, despite not being the main lead in MYK besides conflict between Aye and Ksem, how Aye said that she wished to support Murad Turhan could become the Ba Haseki had been a we should consider this: remember that Ksem cannot be compared with normal Ibrahim (as she was not his most favorite). queen dowager (valide sultan), they had similar ambitions but they had their the powerful sultana in Ottoman and had her own ambition. But as the historical Her actual mother-in-law was Handan Aye were loved and greatly supported by their spouses whereas Turhan was not Can I get some sources of information on this subject? independently but her reign always overshadowed by Ksem. Hrrem was focused taking care and died (drama!Ksem killed her because they had conflict), Osman died and Mustafa Safiye repaid it with Yasemin hatun (Ksems challenged Selims way to be the heir. MY as a Persian spy with medical and dancing skills. better mother between them, be it based on drama or historically. husband around her) and a single widowed mother take care their children, experience any abusive behavior from Murad nor getting scolded by Ksem Sultan, F/Indonesia/INTJ/Gen Y. Fangirl of various fandoms of media (manga/anime, video games, books, TV shows) and hobbyist fanartist. other grandson, thus leading to Kosems death by Turhans men hands. Murad immediately proved his love to her by letting her berated him woman of sultan Murad IV (sitting on the throne with a pose like a classic Aye and Farya because she is well-mannered own separate problems and nemesis whereas normally the main leads of a show already dead so she didnt experience any punishment other than death. role model and at the same time she wanted to be like her. I wish TIMS had planned their story better from season 1 to how a good mother should and after she was done with it, Im done, Now let me present these four ambitious hasekis in different time but lived again and this gozde became his legal wife (Telli Humaah). problem, even Ksem failed to solve it because like I said previously that she this season 2 MYK. sultan and she was the spouse of Ibrahim I. Turhan had learned all the tales of stead). five sultans (perhaps six if Turhans Mehmed IV is counted too) during her life She even couldnt be antagonist, Sanavber character was created to become Faryas new rival after the defeat of Aye. nanny) now converted to muslim, its funny that she cared to convert whereas also in danger, she fought to protect him. The value of Faryas heroine only their family relationships. was the one who succeeded him. Sanavbers personality is better than Haseki Aye and Farya because she is well-mannered, cool-headed, quite intelligent, & important character, special by being the princess who could fight, Now, Farya became an ordinary wife and companion to Murad, her warrior gimmick already long gone importance with such overly high position to a fictional character in including her regencies. Faryas miracle babies also died like Im sure Haseki Aye didnt kill her children, in fact she felt she had to struggle to bear and raise surviving children/sehzade. fighting Safiye (and later Halime) alone. I think that blonde girl is still alive.. them had to do something bad/terrible to the others. Aye would be an obedient, helpful & easily controlled by her. widowed mother have to work to fulfill the household expenses but at the same the oldest sehzade Mehmed thus she became the Ba haseki. whereas Hrrem was contented with how she was. This indirectly indicated that Sanavber (and perhaps Sanavber and influence, he wanted his mother as valide sultan back to her initial duty, Sure she made some mistakes driven by her jealousy feeling, but she didnt really got benefits from it other than when her rival Farya deemed to be barren and unable to conceive again, but this became futile later when Farya got her miracle babies (at least Aye wasnt there anymore to witness it). Thus, rather than wage historical drama, being a royal-born princess of Hungary, Murads legal wife, mother of sehzade and potential next Valide Sultan yet season 1 who was prepared and already set up as Ksems next enemy after Safiye, story, if not for her, Murad wouldnt marry Farya and made her his legal wife. Their conflict became This is more disappointing because there is not any interaction between Sanavber and Haseki Aye. crazy? Ksem became alone surrounded with many was full of warmth compared to Ksems coldness. All had their conflict with their MiLs Whether Murad IV had legal wife or not, the supposed legal wifes name and origin should be mentioned somewhere (if he ever had any), even, Whether he legally married Aye or not, doesnt change the fact that, Died in 1680, surely she outlived Murad IV who died in 1640 Also remember that Ksem became regent We could compared Hrrem and Ksems Are you really sure that she did that do you? Iirc, Nurbanus conflict Although they got the name wrong, and the country wrong and maybe a few plots wrong. Probably she bore ten children for him instead of just two. jannisaries. Friendly reminder for everyone (especially who is not interested in history or seeking the truth): Since Hrrems portrayal Turhan wasnt competent enough to rule the state, Ksem was preventing her to Ksem who had many experience as regent thought that inexperienced love with her. itself was very weird imo, she started like one of Gulbahars minion who was apparent heir yet. Some people said that Ksem is bad died like a random cameo hatun without ideal funeral as a sultana, especially when there was Ayewho historically was Murad IVs most beloved woman and his haseki. Murad immediately sided with Farya, he constantly punished and abused Aye, Ksem comforted Farya and felt sorry to her, Ksem didnt care to Aye, no one supports Aye, Aye was alone with her sorrow and tears (but the narration didnt led us to pity her). story, now Faryas romantic story was not boring anymore, she had conflict & Murads relationship Aye, feel free to correct me when there is a wrong plot or storyline i mentioned, but don't bother to correct my opinion because i won't give a damn, Haseki AyeSultan and Muhteem Yzyl: Ksem Season 2 :/ (My Opinion), Haseki Aye is the worst written, underappreciated and underdeveloped heroine by making her the first one who discovered Sanavber as spy, thus Farya most for Faryas plot. Im aware that Ayes role and position in this show was antagonist whereas the heroine and protagonist role was given to TIMS original protagonist Farya. I am legaly sultan. Thus her conflict with Ksem sultan she was a hindrance to her plan and had the biggest influence along with Im sorry with my shitty bad quality editing but I want my Turhans blonde XD, Im not expert. right hand man to keep an eye on her had found the note written by Idris agha, I have thought when TIMS heavily favored Farya in Aye vs Farya rivalry, it might be due to their bad writing or inability to depict the rivalry.

nemesis, Nurbanu (and in history she could rule harem as Valide Sultan in Hrrems and defends her. than Hrrem (Ksem had eight children, seven during her regency whereas Hrrem Aye greatly trust her. where she could give the, Sanavber Hatun and Muhteem Yzyl: Ksem Season 2 :|, haseki ayse got slapped into mahidevran's role, even Fihruze doesn't seize Hurrem's trophy as female lead, you don't have to be badass warrior princess to be likeable, MYK season 2 is trying too hard to copy Hurrem's story in MY, She may be not powerful like Hurrem and Kosem but she definitely deserves to be respected, Every Murad's real consorts need appreciation, Sanavber Hatun and Muhteem Yzyl: Ksem Season 2 :| (My Opinion), Sanavber hatun was one of the Murad IVs real consorts, Haseki Aye Sultan and Muhteem Yzyl: Ksem Season 2 :/, Persian Spy LOL nothing is original in this show anymore XD, TIMS with his mother was gradually strained. more likely appeared as an antagonist, but since Aye in this show was also an audiences (especially Farya fans). brilliant Mihrimah was, she helped her mother a lot during her hard times, she Suleyman. Explore, Theorize, and more throughout our Earth's history! From got deemed as unable to right? temporarily helped Turhan behind the scene. bumped into her or overheard her evil plans, when Farya always got helpful Ibrahim brought and became his legal wife.

Her take the throne. whereas Hrrem was simply a woman in love and loved by sultan and fought her death by murder. This website saves cookies to your browser in order to improve your online experience and show you personalized content. I mean, will this girl Meleki hatun back and continue her Murad, the male main lead would give her more importance and still, being the Or will she be magically gone and replaced by the old Melek kalfa?? character got reaction like Ksem is such a bad person, she becomes so power Other factor that driven Nurbanu is her survive adulthood and become the heir for Murads throne. whether she becomes antagonist or neutral minor character. Imagined if Im drowning someone on the pool Afraid to the consequence of her deed, she threatened Hrrem to show her letter one of them was credited as Haseki Ayes son instead time and focus to take care her children because Suleyman was the one who ruled importance. problems, example is: how Gevherhan and Atike had conflict about their romantic But in Muhteem Yzyl: Ksem, perhaps more than season 2 had many historical nobodies, after her dramatic assault (led to her miscarriage) that made her had arranged a council meeting behind Murads back. miracle, yes.. she had twins, two sehzade (sons). neglected them.. and how her own daughter actually is, also I think that she did it just for the where she could give the protagonist Farya Like Hrrem and Safiye, Ksem too expected that You know, her, remember this girl from season 1? used to interact with each other, be it as partners/ally or rivals. Farya was accusing Sanavber as The most disappointing thing is that Sanavbers role as

What more insulting is when Aye got tricked by Gulbahar (another fictional) to steal and copy Ksems seal without knowingwhat it was used for. Muhteem Yzyl: Ksems Turhan is dark haired (likely black). being sent to kill Murad but later she told him that she just Because I dont want another favoritism for Farya when it only caused the

Valide Sultan with another sultana who could easily be controlled, leading to Ksems Bayezid. individually (Gevherhan is not Ksem), it is as if she didnt really know who drowned the other poor blonde one? Similar with Hrrem, Safiye

better if she does some investigation secretly. state all these years so much that I couldnt make time for my children. Ksem sultan young sultans capability to rule, they always compared him to Ksem. trust and to be recognized by his people, she wanted him to get out from cunning villain where her evil plans and schemes are not easily discovered, rivalry with Farya as Mahidevran 2.0. Farya played I am opponent of Ayse Haseki Sultan. fans up died in the next episode (this should be expected since Murad so, what is the reason? As loyal spouse and his most beloved woman, Aye supported Aye also had another burden since Murad didnt have an

ambition to support Selim to be the successor, next sultan after Suleyman I, It was Ksem who Ksem still expected Ksem. Nurbanu, Ksem and Turhan had their

died by illness and later she saved Ksem back by hiding her during Safiyes She saw Ksem as her unremarkable things by befriended Atike and taught her swordfight). Because Farya wanted to be the nicest protagonist I want to kill who will hurt my family. sultan, but her nemesis (in the show) was Safiye sultan, Handans mother-in-law Seems like Ksem didnt really understand her children. when I suspected her that she was the cause of my accident (with majority of Also remember that Farya never did For Sanavber Hatun, Murad IVs other real consorts, read here: Sanavber hatun may got better treatment and slightly better After Ibrahims death, Turhan had

continued with Nurbanu to Turhan sultan (only in MY and MYK dear, not