If thats no longer available any suggestions? If space is limited (the usual case), try to make spaces do double duty. (To be honest, it is unlikely that you will get it right the first, most theoretical time.) Enter now for your chance to win more than $2,000 worth of woodworking equipment from Woodpeckers. You can then move them around the floor plan to best arrange them. Best of luck in your design and finding what is the right design for you and your work. Shapers, router tables, sanders, small bandsaws are all best on wheels. Here is a good read about Sketchup Shop Layout. So apparently the answer is No and several responders are Jerks. Even though you may have been brought up with CAD, there are people here who predate CAD by many years yet somehow they were able to organize their shops effectively. I started to try SketchUp but was too complicated. I use excel spreadsheet. http://www.highlandwoodworking.com/woodnews/2009june/sketchup.html. 170 sq/ft! Your previous content has been restored. This helps with planning infeed and outfeed spaces for some tools such as bandsaws, tablesaws, jointers, and miter saws. Floor plan? I started with an 'as-is' and then worked my way through several layout options. all inside of SketchUp to place in your shop.

either side of the guard. My router table serves as an outfeed extender for the table saw. I can use sketch up and fusion but went with scale cutouts on graph paper to get a rough layout. Upload or insert images from URL. It has a gentle learning curve and you can use it straight out of the box (so to speak) . That gave me the ability to seize various opportunities for machinery that I could not have anticipated: 26" (3+ ton) industrial thickness planer, 24" x 6' jointer, huge Onsrud overarm router, double spindle industrial shaper, 36" bandsaw, Powermatic tenoner, 18" x 54" metal lathe, plus all the typical smaller machines. Paste as plain text instead, Once you have played around with Sketchup you will then find yourself using it for design too. This works especially well with those that are not used every day, or every week. Second that on "shelving, storage, etc" - really important that. Still, even with the generic shapes it worked out nicely for getting a rough idea where I could put items. That was a tiny move, but it made all the difference. None of these require solid mounting like the workbench or lathe. Click for full details. I bought another one for the jointer/planer and had a welding shop cut it down to fit. Im wanting to design my future woodshop and it looked to be an easy platform to work within. Get the layout the best you can, then work in it for a while to find out how you can make it better for what you actually do. Good point. 2 product ratings - Grizzly G0459 115V 12 Inch 1-1/2 HP Baby Drum Sander, 2 product ratings - Grizzly H0837 3-Drawer Middle Tool Chest with Ball Bearing Slides, 12 product ratings - Grizzly G1015 Knife Grinder, Sander, and Buffer, 8 product ratings - *NEW SET* Asian Mini Lathe 7x10,12,14 Gear Belt Kit Grizzly 8690 and others, 2 product ratings - 20" inch Planer Blades Knives for Grizzly G0454, G1033 & G05850Z, Set of 4, 1 product ratings - Grizzly G1183 110V/220V 6 Inch x 48 Inch Belt/12 Inch Disc Combo Sander, 1 product ratings - Grizzly G0842 14" x 37" Wood Lathe with Copy Attachment, 4 product ratings - Grizzly T10157 Heavy-Duty Oak Workbench with Steel Legs, 3 product ratings - Grizzly G0555LX 14" 1 HP Deluxe Bandsaw, 3 product ratings - GRIZZLY TABLE SAW TENONING JIG. As mentioned earlier, be sure to put in windows, doors, outlets, etc. MS Visio is a bit easier as it does have a drawing tools and page layout however Visio is not included in most basic MS Office packages so you have to purchase stand alone copy. I worked in architectural field for many years and would never use anything other than 2D for "basic plan layout" using AutoCAD or anything else. Ask a question and instead of getting an answer, you get a string of people explaining why you are wrong to want to do the thing you wanted to do. Uh, don't forget space for shelving, hand tool & lumber storage to name a few. The availability of models in the warehouse is pretty good.

Sketchup does NOT need to be used as a 3D tool btw. Difficult tho it may seem, try to plan for change and upgrades. Draw your machine footprints to the same scale on another piece of paper. In my shop, the bandsaw, the oscillating belt/drum sander, jointer, and dust collector are lined up against one wall. I've tried resizing the tools on the Grizzly shop planner, but the changes to the tool sizes don't stick. My shop is 30'x40', what I consider medium size. July 7, 2013 in The Shop. Get instant access to over 100 digital plans available only to UNLIMITED members. Moving my TS 3 inches means that almost any reasonable piece of wood will not foul on the lathe that sits behind it. I started to try SketchUp but was too complicated.". I used it to design my new shop. I'm building a new shop and using sketchup. Graph paper and some cut out pieces for tools?? Dream Shop - Sliding table saw or Sawstop and cash to spend? For example, if your jointer is 66" long, you can draw it that way but also add enough room on the infeed and outfeed ends for the longest boards you plan to handle. I went back and forth a couple times arranging tools. Well, this is aggrevating. I'll second using MS Excel. However, the cross-hatched 63" on each end can be located in an aisle or it can overlap another machine's cross-hatched area. Cut out the machine footprints with scissors. I need to walk away before I too frustrated. Thank you, stephan, for your detailed response to the original question. In this example, if you want to be able to handle 8 ft boards, you need a cross-hatched length of 63" (96" - 33", assuming the infeed and outfeed tables are each 33" long) added to each end for a total length of 192". If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. They are a bit further from my lathe than I'd like, but it is not a huge issue. If you learn how to use SketchUp you will probably find it useful for designing projects that you'll build in your shop, too.

Display as a link instead, Also make sure you download the 3D person too as you can see the ergonomics making sure you can reach things and walk around things using the 3D person as a sense of scale. I tried their tool and didn't care for it either. Not sure why, but I haven't seen it for a long time now. Draw your shop floor plan on paper to scale. it was a lot easier moving rectangles on a piece of paper than 800lb machines. Become an UNLIMITED member and get it all: searchable online archive of every issue, how-to videos, Complete Illustrated Guide to Woodworking digital series, print magazine, e-newsletter, and more. I'm not that high tech. Doing your layout in 3D can be useful because you can see where you might have infeed/outfeed conflicts as well as places where you can use space above or below machines or benches. Get complete site access to video workshops, digital plans library, online archive, and more, plus the print magazine. It's very helpful. ..and, consider which machines can be mounted on casters. Is it OK to copy projects from the magazine? I used blue tape on the shop floor. This is the way we had to do it back in the old days, after walking 5 miles to the shop in our bare feet through the snow. Something went wrong. Each equipment is a shape that I can move around with a mouse inside the floor plan which is a 1 ft X 1 ft grid. " Pasted as rich text. I know, I know, there is always pen and paper. Paper works best! This can be a lot of fun, especially when you don't have the resources to buy all the tools, one can at least enjoy dreaming. Terrymck is spot on. View cart for details. I saw that Grizzly.com had one, but its working a newer version and unavailable right now. I wish there was a way adjust the tools sized to my tools. They may not be your brand of tool, but you can adjust the sizes to the size of yours and allow you to plan and then spin it around in 3D and see what you think. But for anyone not fortunate to have that, SketchUp does a great job and is free! Probably the smartest thing I did was pour a concrete floor, rather than building a standard wood floor. That's half the fun To answer your original questions, I don't think the Dream Shop Planner is available any longer. Then we can make dollhouse-like copies of our workshop spaces, and move the tools, workbenches, etc around. It should be 3D! I still haven't dug into Sketchup, but I have been able to make the Grizzly tool a little better for me. I used the Grizz shop layout tool very briefly. All of which take up a shocking amount of space too. We have created these special content collections organized to give you a deep dive into a range of topics that matter. Milo, Anyone have any ideas what I am doing wrong?

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I asked because it just seems the tools available are HUGE compared to floorspace.

planning on breaking ground on a ~5000 sq/ft shop in the spring. No matter how carefully you plan the shop something always comes up. Import everything outside the room and then start bringing it in. If you want to use CAD, or some other simpler tool like Grizzly's software, that's fine. Our biweekly podcast allows editors, authors, and special guests to answer your woodworking questions and connect with the online woodworking community.

UNLIMITED membership - Get access to it all. Editor's Letter: Technology and the future of woodworking. This is unheard of in this day and age but simply put it on paper. Has anyone out there successful used the Grizzly Workshop layout website? Yeah - all that virtual crap is SO 2020 My shop is a closet at 170 sqft and no amount of graph paper or planning did me any good. It would take "average person" about a half an hour to get the basics down on producing simple 2D outlines over a grid e.g.. Google is your friend here. It was OK but I'd rather usegraph paper and little cutouts as TIODS did. Harvey. Of course, you may still find that once you start moving your tools around in the shop that you find you like something else a little better, but it's a good place to start without going to all of the work of actually rearranging. It's a lot easier to move things around this way. In the 3D warehouse, there are a lot of shop symbols (in 3D) available to help. You can probably find most if not all of the components you need for free in the 3D Warehouse for free. This makes planning with precision really difficult - it is not until you have been in the shop for a while that you will find what works and what does not. Copyright 2021 The Wood Whisperer, Inc. Another tip: I used paper cutouts to scale and included (indicated with cross-hatching) the footprint of the maximum size of material (infeed and outfeed sides) that would need to be moved through the tool. In-depth articles, up-close photography, and detailed illustrations, Is Dream Shop Planner no longer available? To help with my shop, I am fortunate enough to have a good CAD system with 3D ability to assist.

So enlighten uswhat is wrong with someone offering an alternative method? I think anything that works on curved pieces may need to be on wheels, just to change orientation for the curve. Saw, dust collectors, ect are all stuck at the size offered. Why knock those who offer another method? I found out that the only objects that can be manipulated are the standard squares and small objects at the bottom of the selections that are offered. Be sure to consider open doors and windows as possibilities for adding to infeed/outfeed length for longer boards. A copy would have sped up a redo or 2. Since my original answer I have further changed the shop round and once more space has appeared as if from nowhere. Had to move the bandsaw to get my fat gut between the two after that, but that works too. Plus tips, advice, and special offers from Fine Woodworking. We don't need no stinkin' floor plan! You can post now and register later. Paper? From there, I actually made small cutouts of the tools so that I could move them around my drawing without redrawing every time I wanted to move something.

Thanks everyone. I wear good quality running shoes to work in, and have rubber mats or carpet scraps in front of the most used work stations. It doesn't have to be complicated. Sharp pencils, graph paper, tool footprints, and lots of erasers.

"In my day Sonny, We did it on rocks with chisels! Your link has been automatically embedded. UNLIMITED Membership is like taking a master class in woodworking for less than $10 a month. to make your planning as accurate as possible. There are loads of pre-drawn tool models (some generic and some actual) in the 3D warehouse and it makes it easy to position things. When your machines can spin around like ballerinas and go back to being parked in a corner your space expands in pretty much every direction. There seems to be a problem serving the request at this time, One stop shop for all things from your favorite brand, {"modules":["unloadOptimization","bandwidthDetection"],"unloadOptimization":{"browsers":{"Firefox":true,"Chrome":true}},"bandwidthDetection":{"url":"https://ir.ebaystatic.com/cr/v/c1/thirtysevens.jpg","maxViews":4,"imgSize":37,"expiry":300000,"timeout":250}}, Grizzly G0459 12" 1-1/2 HP Baby Drum Sander - Green, Set of 2 Urethane Band Saw Tires for Grizzly Model G8976 Heavy Duty .095" Thick, Grizzly G1023RLW 10" 3 HP 240V Cabinet Table Saw with Built-in Router Table, T10432 Router Table with Stand 31 7/8" x 24" Grizzly Industrial, Set Asian Mini Lathe 7x10 12 14 Gear Belt Kit Grizzly 8690 and Others. I appreciate the feedback. (Built both the same height.) As Bob C mentioned above, you can change the size of an object pretty easily. One thing that would have been helpful would to have made a copy or 2 of my layouts. In the end, I ended up just getting some graph paper and drawing the room. Jointer, table saw, and planer need to be very convenient to each other, for prepping lumber after it comes into the shop. You cannot paste images directly. If you're unfamiliar with Sketchup, the latest "Wood" magazine has several pages dedicated to guide you thru it. "No battle plan survives contact with the enemy" - attr. Its always easy to pull one out, connect the dust hose, use it and return it to its home. don't i feel glutenous right now. I quickly switched to Sketchup and would highliy recommend it. My solution was buying the hydraulic mobile base for the sawstop.

Get a big enough breaker box that you can add circuits or individual legs without trouble. If I couldn't find a comparable tool in the warehouse I just made a shape and labeled it. And actually on the Grizz tool, if you select a tool, click the little 'I' icon, you can put in new dimensions for a given tool. Some enterprising soul should make tiny reproductions of stationary tools on a 3D printer. this is exactly how i setup my shop! Lots of ideas and layouts in the annual FWW Tools and Shop editions. http://www.thewoodwhisperer.com/articles/the-dream-shop-build-begins/, http://www.thewoodwhisperer.com/files/TWW_Shop_2.skp/. Powered by Invision Community, There are no registered users currently online. Just something easy to setup the floor plan and place my tools and cabinetsThanks,Mike. Once I had it where I think I will want it, I drew up something on the computer to give my electrician for rough pricing. wow! I can recommend sketchup. It is extremely easy to produce 2D drawings for shop layout - which is all you need, nothing more. I may want to move everything around later, the surface mounted conduit would help if needed, but you have to start somewhere. I'm in the beginning phase of building a new shop building. By I have ordered a big planer-thicknesser and had to find somewhere to put it - in the end it's achilles heel (a guard that means it needs to be 400mm from a wall) has been put to use by moving grinder cabinets to use the space - the jointer is now in the middle of the shop (ideal) and the ginders sit in space that would otherwise be difficult to use. And bench grinders, circular saws, drills, etc. Those dashed areas can overlap with each other or with aisles when you place your cutouts on the scale room drawing, since you won't be feeding two machines at the same time or walking in the aisle when you use them. yeah -1 on the Grizzly shop layout thing a ma bob. To help plan my shop, I enlisted the help of a professional woodworker who kindly gave advice - It ended up being how I would have done it anyway, but it gave me confidence to buy a big table saw. Start your 14-day FREE trial - and get building! Mikaol. Rabbeting a shelf; Strength vs. appearance, Editor's Letter: A new tool with every project. Where it really shines IMO is being able to look at it from different viewpoints in 3D to see where the relative heights of tools are with respect to each other. You can also build cabinets, shelves, benches, etc. If You know Sketchup it's not hard to change Marc "dream shop" to "what I got in my garage" layout. That should be good enough for you you hippy!". 2022 The Taunton Press, Inc. All rights reserved. Altho there are a lot of articles in FWW on shop layout, let's talk a few strategies: Things like lathe, radial arm saw, chop saw, drill press, hollow chisel mortiser go along the wall, and don't need to be on wheels. Radial arm saw table is extended by the long extension table for wide rips on the table saw. Start your 14-day FREE trial - and get building. I am very much a SU novice but I was able to put together a shop space and layout pretty quickly. I'll have to give Sketchup another look, especially with the added links. BTW, it's spelled "hippie", not "hippy"but that was before your time, so I'll give you a pass on that. Ok, so my kids made the tool cutouts, not me. Copyright 1995-2022 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. What I have found since though is that inches count. Most important thing is to have fun and enjoy both the process and the outcome! Make a check list of all your stuff.